Dear all,
What are the characters for loquat?
Could you please provide the Cantonese romanization too. In Taishanese we would call it "LOUH WEUHT". Sorry for the weird romanization.
Thank you.
Kobo-Daishi, PLLA.
Loquat
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Thomas Chan
Re: Loquat
Kobo-Daishi wrote:
> What are the characters for loquat?
> Could you please provide the Cantonese romanization too. In
> Taishanese we would call it "LOUH WEUHT". Sorry for the weird
> romanization.
It's lou4gwat1 櫨橘.
Thomas Chan
tc31@cornell.edu
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> What are the characters for loquat?
> Could you please provide the Cantonese romanization too. In
> Taishanese we would call it "LOUH WEUHT". Sorry for the weird
> romanization.
It's lou4gwat1 櫨橘.
Thomas Chan
tc31@cornell.edu
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Kobo-Daishi
Re: Loquat
Dear Thomas,
Thank you for your reply.
A Taiwanese woman had given me some loquats and I had asked her what she called them in Chinese. She only knew 枇杷 (Mand: pi2 pa2, Cant: pei4 pa4) for “loquat”.
I knew that “loquat” was derived from Cantonese but couldn’t find the characters in any Chinese-English dictionaries. I only found 枇杷.
Do you know if “loquats” are called 枇杷 because they are shaped like the Chinese lute, the pipa 紫] (Mand: pi2 pa2, Cant: pei4 pa4)?
Also, what Chinese-English dictionary do you think is the best available? Either in print or as software?
Kobo-Daishi, PLLA.
P. S. In Taishanese the “loquat” and the “pipa” are also called “pei pa”.
Thank you for your reply.
A Taiwanese woman had given me some loquats and I had asked her what she called them in Chinese. She only knew 枇杷 (Mand: pi2 pa2, Cant: pei4 pa4) for “loquat”.
I knew that “loquat” was derived from Cantonese but couldn’t find the characters in any Chinese-English dictionaries. I only found 枇杷.
Do you know if “loquats” are called 枇杷 because they are shaped like the Chinese lute, the pipa 紫] (Mand: pi2 pa2, Cant: pei4 pa4)?
Also, what Chinese-English dictionary do you think is the best available? Either in print or as software?
Kobo-Daishi, PLLA.
P. S. In Taishanese the “loquat” and the “pipa” are also called “pei pa”.
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Radagasty
Re: Loquat
Kobo-Daishi wrote:
> Also, what Chinese-English dictionary do you think is the best
> available? Either in print or as software?
It does not contain Cantonese pronunciations, but, IMHO, the 遠東漢英大辭典 is one of the best Chinese-English dictionaries around.
Sebastian.
> Also, what Chinese-English dictionary do you think is the best
> available? Either in print or as software?
It does not contain Cantonese pronunciations, but, IMHO, the 遠東漢英大辭典 is one of the best Chinese-English dictionaries around.
Sebastian.
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Kobo-Daishi
Re: Loquat
Dear Radagasty,
> It does not contain Cantonese pronunciations, but, IMHO, the 遠東漢英大辭典 is one of the best Chinese-English dictionaries around.
Yes, the 遠東漢英大辭典 (Mand: yuan3 dong1 han4 ying1 da4 ci2 dian3, Cant: yun5 dung1 hon3 ying1 daai6 chi4 din2) is a very good Chinese-English dictionary.
It is much better than the “Concise Chinese-English English-Chinese Dictionary” published jointly by the Commercial Press and the Oxford University Press even though it doesn’t include simplified characters, which the CCEECD does.
In the CCEECD, they don’t include most country names or most things related to countries. For example in the English-Chinese section they don’t include China or Chinese but do include English (the language). In the Chinese-English section they don’t include France, French, Italian, Italy, German, Germany, etc.
Unfortunately, the Far East dictionary doesn’t have 櫨橘 (Mand: lu2 ju2, Cant: lou4 gwat1) meaning “loquat”. I guess the word is only used in Cantonese dialects.
The Far East does include 金橘 (Mand: jin1 ju2, Cant: gam1 gwat1) the “kumquat” but they spell it "cumquat" while it doesn’t have 金桔 (Mand: jin1 ju2, gam1 gat1) which I think is also the “kumquat”.
Kobo-Daishi, PLLA.
> It does not contain Cantonese pronunciations, but, IMHO, the 遠東漢英大辭典 is one of the best Chinese-English dictionaries around.
Yes, the 遠東漢英大辭典 (Mand: yuan3 dong1 han4 ying1 da4 ci2 dian3, Cant: yun5 dung1 hon3 ying1 daai6 chi4 din2) is a very good Chinese-English dictionary.
It is much better than the “Concise Chinese-English English-Chinese Dictionary” published jointly by the Commercial Press and the Oxford University Press even though it doesn’t include simplified characters, which the CCEECD does.
In the CCEECD, they don’t include most country names or most things related to countries. For example in the English-Chinese section they don’t include China or Chinese but do include English (the language). In the Chinese-English section they don’t include France, French, Italian, Italy, German, Germany, etc.
Unfortunately, the Far East dictionary doesn’t have 櫨橘 (Mand: lu2 ju2, Cant: lou4 gwat1) meaning “loquat”. I guess the word is only used in Cantonese dialects.
The Far East does include 金橘 (Mand: jin1 ju2, Cant: gam1 gwat1) the “kumquat” but they spell it "cumquat" while it doesn’t have 金桔 (Mand: jin1 ju2, gam1 gat1) which I think is also the “kumquat”.
Kobo-Daishi, PLLA.
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Thomas Chan
Re: Loquat
Kobo-Daishi wrote:
> Unfortunately, the Far East dictionary doesn’t have 櫨橘
> (Mand: lu2 ju2, Cant: lou4 gwat1) meaning “loquat”. I guess
> the word is only used in Cantonese dialects.
I actually found that in Meyer and Wempe's _The Student's Cantonese-
English Dictionary_, 3rd ed. (1947). I haven't seen it elsewhere so far.
Thomas Chan
tc31@cornell.edu
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> Unfortunately, the Far East dictionary doesn’t have 櫨橘
> (Mand: lu2 ju2, Cant: lou4 gwat1) meaning “loquat”. I guess
> the word is only used in Cantonese dialects.
I actually found that in Meyer and Wempe's _The Student's Cantonese-
English Dictionary_, 3rd ed. (1947). I haven't seen it elsewhere so far.
Thomas Chan
tc31@cornell.edu
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Kobo-Daishi
Re: Loquat
Dear Thomas,
> I actually found that in Meyer and Wempe's _The Student's Cantonese-
> English Dictionary_, 3rd ed. (1947). I haven't seen it elsewhere so far.
Using the characters that you supplied I looked them up in a 1972 reprint of “A Chinese-English Dictionary” by Herbert A. Giles. The dictionary was originally published in 1892 and revised & enlarged in 1912.
Looking under 櫨 I found this entry:
櫨橘 the loquat (Eriobotrya japonica). See 枇 9049.
Looking under 橘 I found this entry:
蘆 (or 櫨 or 盧 or 廬) 橘 the loquat (Eriobotrya japonica).
The dictionary also has:
金橘 the cumquat (Citrus japonica, Thbg.).
Kobo-Daishi, PLLA.
> I actually found that in Meyer and Wempe's _The Student's Cantonese-
> English Dictionary_, 3rd ed. (1947). I haven't seen it elsewhere so far.
Using the characters that you supplied I looked them up in a 1972 reprint of “A Chinese-English Dictionary” by Herbert A. Giles. The dictionary was originally published in 1892 and revised & enlarged in 1912.
Looking under 櫨 I found this entry:
櫨橘 the loquat (Eriobotrya japonica). See 枇 9049.
Looking under 橘 I found this entry:
蘆 (or 櫨 or 盧 or 廬) 橘 the loquat (Eriobotrya japonica).
The dictionary also has:
金橘 the cumquat (Citrus japonica, Thbg.).
Kobo-Daishi, PLLA.
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Thomas Chan
Re: Loquat
Kobo-Daishi wrote:
> > I actually found that in Meyer and Wempe's _The Student's
> Cantonese-
> > English Dictionary_, 3rd ed. (1947). I haven't seen it
> elsewhere so far.
>
> Using the characters that you supplied I looked them up in a
> 1972 reprint of “A Chinese-English Dictionary” by Herbert A.
> Giles. The dictionary was originally published in 1892 and
> revised & enlarged in 1912.
I didn't know there was a recent reprint of Giles' dictionary. I've been
looking for a copy of Giles', and the 2nd editions (1912) are rather
expensive (haven't ever seen a 1st ed., not even in a library). Is it a
Taiwanese reprint?
Giles' does have some Cantonese and Hakka characters in it, I recall,
which would help explain why he'd have an actual "loquat" entry. Its
predecessor (as "the" Chinese-English dictionary) was Samuel Williams'
from the 1870s, which also included dialects (actually, it was an expanded
form of Williams' 1856 Cantonese dictionary), but Giles' successor, the
1930s Mathews', is devoid of anything but Mandarin.
Thomas Chan
tc31@cornell.edu
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> > I actually found that in Meyer and Wempe's _The Student's
> Cantonese-
> > English Dictionary_, 3rd ed. (1947). I haven't seen it
> elsewhere so far.
>
> Using the characters that you supplied I looked them up in a
> 1972 reprint of “A Chinese-English Dictionary” by Herbert A.
> Giles. The dictionary was originally published in 1892 and
> revised & enlarged in 1912.
I didn't know there was a recent reprint of Giles' dictionary. I've been
looking for a copy of Giles', and the 2nd editions (1912) are rather
expensive (haven't ever seen a 1st ed., not even in a library). Is it a
Taiwanese reprint?
Giles' does have some Cantonese and Hakka characters in it, I recall,
which would help explain why he'd have an actual "loquat" entry. Its
predecessor (as "the" Chinese-English dictionary) was Samuel Williams'
from the 1870s, which also included dialects (actually, it was an expanded
form of Williams' 1856 Cantonese dictionary), but Giles' successor, the
1930s Mathews', is devoid of anything but Mandarin.
Thomas Chan
tc31@cornell.edu
[%sig%]
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Kobo-Daishi
Re: Loquat
Dear Thomas,
>I didn't know there was a recent reprint of Giles' dictionary.
>I've been looking for a copy of Giles', and the 2nd editions (1912)
>are rather expensive (haven't ever seen a 1st ed., not even in a
>library). Is it a Taiwanese reprint?
Yes, it is a Taiwanese reprint by the Ch’eng-wen Publishing Co. P. O. Box 22605, Taipei, Taiwan, ROC
成文出版社有限公司
台北郵政信箱第22605號
I got it through Cheng & Tsui. http://www.cheng-tsui.com/
It costs $125.00 at their web site.
This is the description of the book from the site:
Price: $125.00
Author: H. A. Giles
Unit: Hdcr. (2 vol. in 1)
Still considered to be the best dictionary of its kind, this revised edition presents over 10,900 Chinese characters with romanization in Mandarin, Japanese, Korean, and ten other dialects. Characters are arranged alphabetically in the Wade-Giles system, and a radical index arranged by stroke order is provided. A large number of binomes and phrases are presented and translated, and many useful tables are included. An indispensable tool for students of poetry and classical Chinese. Reprint of 2nd edition of 1912 original. CW.
>Giles' does have some Cantonese and Hakka characters in it, I recall,
>which would help explain why he'd have an actual "loquat" entry.
I don’t know which characters are specifically Hakka but the book does include character readings in 10 Chinese dialects (Mandarin, Cantonese, Hakka, Foochow, Wenchow, Ningpo, Peking, Mid-China, Yangchow and Ssuch’uan) as well as in Korean, Japanese and Annamese (Vietnamese).
Kobo-Daishi, PLLA.
>I didn't know there was a recent reprint of Giles' dictionary.
>I've been looking for a copy of Giles', and the 2nd editions (1912)
>are rather expensive (haven't ever seen a 1st ed., not even in a
>library). Is it a Taiwanese reprint?
Yes, it is a Taiwanese reprint by the Ch’eng-wen Publishing Co. P. O. Box 22605, Taipei, Taiwan, ROC
成文出版社有限公司
台北郵政信箱第22605號
I got it through Cheng & Tsui. http://www.cheng-tsui.com/
It costs $125.00 at their web site.
This is the description of the book from the site:
Price: $125.00
Author: H. A. Giles
Unit: Hdcr. (2 vol. in 1)
Still considered to be the best dictionary of its kind, this revised edition presents over 10,900 Chinese characters with romanization in Mandarin, Japanese, Korean, and ten other dialects. Characters are arranged alphabetically in the Wade-Giles system, and a radical index arranged by stroke order is provided. A large number of binomes and phrases are presented and translated, and many useful tables are included. An indispensable tool for students of poetry and classical Chinese. Reprint of 2nd edition of 1912 original. CW.
>Giles' does have some Cantonese and Hakka characters in it, I recall,
>which would help explain why he'd have an actual "loquat" entry.
I don’t know which characters are specifically Hakka but the book does include character readings in 10 Chinese dialects (Mandarin, Cantonese, Hakka, Foochow, Wenchow, Ningpo, Peking, Mid-China, Yangchow and Ssuch’uan) as well as in Korean, Japanese and Annamese (Vietnamese).
Kobo-Daishi, PLLA.