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Re: Korean claims Eastern China was a colony of Baekje

Posted: Wed Aug 04, 2010 3:38 pm
by chuck888
deadlock wrote:韩国国立显忠院就是韩国的靖国神社2009-12-09 02:00
铁一般的事实表明,韩国就是侵华日军的帮凶。
韩国国立显忠院就是韩国的靖国神社!
在韩国显忠院里供奉的韩国军人(朝鲜战争时期阵亡)的大部分是对中国人民犯下累累血债的刽子手。
中国人民应该坚决反对韩国总统参拜显忠院!
中国人民有权向韩国提出战争赔偿!

李明博新年参拜显忠院,国立显忠院介绍
2009年1月1日,李明博在新年第一天早晨到国立显忠院参拜。

국립서울현충원 [國立─顯忠院, Seoul National Cemetery, Seoul National Memorial Board]

国立显忠院是韩国国立墓地

首尔国立显忠院大门

朴正熙(高木正雄)墓

韩国籍日军宪兵金昌龙是供应731部队马路大的主谋

东北关东军里的韩国籍日军参与了731部队。这个证据确凿!
前韩国陆军中将金昌龙介入了731部队。经他手落入731部队的抗日志士也差不多一百多个。
关东军宪兵特务金昌龙后来当了韩国陆军中将,死后被供奉在韩国大田国家显忠院里,正因为如此韩国的显忠院就是靖国神社。
为了因金昌龙而被731部队活体实验的抗日志士讨回公道,反对韩国总统参拜显忠院。

一:证据
时间:
1940年10月至1943年3月
地点
兴安北省
    
二:中国方面资料
哈尔滨获得“731”活体实验最直接证据 1463人被“特别移送”残忍杀害 

1940年10月至1943年3月,兴安北省地方保安局批捕90人并分别按四种办法处理,其中送往石井部队的中国人35名,蒙古族5人

三:韩国方面资料
关东军韩国籍宪兵金昌龙在1941-1943年之间,东北共破获了50多个抗日情报网。
1941年金昌龙在“兴安北省”一举破获了共产党员王近礼领导的抗日情报网,缴获九台电台,50名抗日志士全部被逮捕--这些被关东军逮捕的抗日志士成了731部队的活体试验品
You should give a full translation, and where is a source for this?

You must be those chinese who seriously believe that Koreans claim Confucius. :lol:

Re: Korean claims Eastern China was a colony of Baekje

Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2011 5:30 am
by deadlock
Some korean nationalists claim Confucius, as covered in the medica and news. Shame.

Re: Korean claims Eastern China was a colony of Baekje

Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2011 9:54 pm
by Xiang
eh, there is a long-standing misunderstanding there that the Hua-Xiao(华夏) civilization was
born along the Yellow River.
Along with the archaeological development in the last 20 years in China, more and more
unearthed evidence indicated that the earliest civilization center lied on the middle and lower
reaches of the Yangtze River.

Look at these:
In 2011, a group of genome researchers from Stanford University, New York University,
Washington University, and Purdue University made a conclusion that domesticated rice
originated in the Yangtze Valley of China around 9,000 years ago.
(http://www.nyu.edu/about/news-publicati ... -to-china-
genome-researchers-conclude.html
http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2011/ ... 8.abstract)

Early in 2004, 5 carbonated rice grains dated around 12,000 years ago were discovered in
Yuchanyan Cave (an Upper Neolithic cultural site) in Hunan Province China by archaeologists
from Hunan Archaeological Research Institute and Harvard University.

It is worth mentioning that Yuchanyan Cave also yielded the earliest pottery dated 17,500-
18,300 years ago.
(see: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8077168.stm
and http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2009/ ... 6.abstract)

Now here comes a prominent neolithic cultural site Gaomiao(高庙) Relics dated between 7800-5500
ago situated in Hongjiang, Hunan Province,China.
Till the most recent dig in 2005, among the discoveries are:
1) a large-scale sacrificing site with an estimated area of 1000 square meters dated 7000 ago
consisting of three parts: ritual site, sacrifice pit, attached buildings for meeting and rest and cellars.
2) In Gaomiao's upper remains lied houses and tombs among which 2 co-buried graves of husband
and wife(supposed to be the tribe head) dated 5800 ago were especially conspicuous, only in these two graves large exquisite jadeware were discovered.
3) around 7800 years old pottery (including the earliest white pottery) with the oldest-known
decoration patterns like: magic bird phoenix, beast fangs, octagon constellation and the sun.
4) Perhaps the oldest character-liking engravings found on the fragments of pottery dated 7000
—7500 ago such as: “火”、“⊙”、“井”、“圭”、“▽” in which “⊙” was identical to “日” in oracle bone inscriptions.

Emerging of Huaxiao civilization:
Chengtoushan(城头山) site (late Neolithic Culture spanning from 7000-4000 ago):
The first emerged ancient city of around 6000 years old located in Li Yang Plain, Hunan Province.
Occupying an area of 152,000 square meters, surrounded by city wall and moat, the ancient city
was divided into habitation, pottery-making, sacrificing and tomb areas linked together through
the earliest dated brick laid roads. The oldest rice paddy of 6500 yrs was also found there.
BTW, the accomplishments of Chengtoushan Culture were ever displayed in the Shanghai WorldExpo 2010.
(Have a look at the pictures of the site:
http://www.zhg1.cn/humane/ShowArticle.asp?ArticleID=249)

Now let's get back to the so-called 'Yoha Civilization' "the oldest and most developed civilization
among East Asia" declared by the Koreans.
Actually, the correct name of the relics should be "Niuheliang(牛河梁)Cultural Site" which
used to be thought the part of Hongshan(红山) Culture (6000-5000 ago) and includes stone tombs
and a "goddess temple".

The excavation of the site hasn't been completed, as the research goes on, some new findings
contradictory to the former conclusions have come out.
Niuheliang Site is a mixed cultural relics consisting of Hongshan Culture and Lower Xiajiaodian
(夏家店) Culture (2000BC-1500BC), the jadeware unearthed in the stone tombs are actually not
related to the Hongshan Culture, and most likely belong to the other culture more than 1000
years later.
For a bronze ware found in 1987 in one tomb, the radiocarbon dating has identified its Lower
Xiajiaodian Culture characteristics.
As to the goddess temple, aside from the clay goddess statue, nothing valuable was discovered
especially the precious jadeware.

Comparing with other late neolithic sites ranging from the central plain to the southern areas,
such as: Lingjiatan(凌家滩) Site (5600-5300 ago), Liangzhu(良渚) Site (3300 BC-2200 BC),etc,
large amounts of exquisite jadeware were found in those relics which obviously is not the
feature of Niuheliang Site.
Anyway, Niuheliang Site is a bit overrated due to inaccurate analysis method in the earlier
stage of excavation.

Another interesting thing is:
a genetic research on the human remains in the stone tombs in Niuheliang Site done by
JiNing University found that the Hongshan Culture habitants were of ancient northeast human
type most genetically close to the Han Chinese with the closest matrilineal inheritance.
When entering the bronze period, the ancient north chinese began to move into the western
Liaoning and gradually replaced the natives and became the main dwellers.
From late Bronze Period on, a group of ancient Mongolian Plateau type human came to this area,
mixed ethnithity and culture then emerged.

Re: Korean claims Eastern China was a colony of Baekje

Posted: Sun Jul 03, 2011 3:47 am
by Xiang
Chinese distorted the history of Northeast Asia? Funny!
The Koreans said that their history started around 5000 years ago by a legendary person Dangun(檀君) but providing no record and archaeological evidence.
Based on imagination, they made their impressive "history" claiming the Northeast China their own through tracing their ancestors of fantasy to many ancient ethnic minorities in northeastern part of China like:
夫餘(Fu Yu), 女真(Jurchen), and 满族(Manchus).

The history of now day Korea emerged as a united nation with a single ethnicity made up of the Samhan people from central and southern Korean Peninsula actually started from Goryeo Kingdom (918-1392).

Before that, the peninsular was divided into two parts of different belongs:
The northern part had always been under the reign of Chinese central regimes with rulers and many dwellers of Chinese origin.
The recorded ancient Korean period (Gojoseon) comprised two dynasties: Ji-zi(箕子) Korea (1122 BC-194 BC) and Wei-Man(衛滿) Korea (195BC-108BC) which were founded respectively by royal family member Ji-zi of Shang Dynasty of China and a fugitive Wei-Man from the ancient Yan State in northern China.
In 108BC, Wei-man Korea was destroyed by Han Dynasty due to the subordinate regime getting out of control, then the northern Korea was included into the Han territory and divided into four prefectures called "The Four Han Prefectures" (108BC-313AD).

After the collapse of Wei-man Korea, another northeast ethnic regime called Gao-gou-li(高句丽)(Goguryeo) (37 BC-668) was set in Gao-gou-li(高句丽) county in Liaoning China under the governance of central regime. Later it expanded into the northern Korea confronting another two native southern Korean kingdoms: Silla (57 BC–935 AD) and Baekje (18 BC–660 AD).

In 668, Goguryeo kingdom was defeated by the Tang Dynasty (618--907), and the northern peninsular again came under the total control of China, the large majority of Goguryeo people were moved into the central plains and assimilated into Han people.

The part of Goguryeo territory (ranging from eastern Liaoning to northern Korea) left in Korea was given by Chinese governments in two different times, one is in 748 the Tang Emperor ordered 5% of the total area for the unified Silla Kingdom, then the rest was given away in 1392 by the first emperor of Ming Dynasty.

The present Koreans insist that the Goguryeo belonged to their own history, the Goguryeo people were their ancestors so the northeastern China is of course their territory. They just ignore the fact that the late Goryeo Kingdom (918-1392) was established 250 years after the disappearance of Goguryeo, and the composition of Goguryeo people originated from mainland China was quite different from the Goryeo people who was formed by the native Samhan ethnicities in the southern peninsular.

As to the relations between the Korean and Jurchen, Manchus, don't want to say too much here, in short, koreans are koreans, manchus is manchus, and Jurchen is Jurchen.
Upon giving away the Goguryeo area in northern Korea by Ming emperor, the unified Koreans began to drive away the Jurchens and other Goguryeo offspring out of the peninsular by force, now they claim they were actually one family.

Re: Korean claims Eastern China was a colony of Baekje

Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2011 9:12 pm
by gratchen
According to TWSSG, there is indeed West and East Baekje, which are divided by Bohai/Balhae sea. West Baekje (better known as Dae-Ryuk Baekje for Continent Baekje) would be present day Hebei, China (you know, Qingdao beer ^^). because China denies this, and Korean records that directly link to it are destroyed or missing it is very controversial and most ppl only refer to Baekje as just that, the kingdom near present day Seoul and Incheon of South Korea.
However, on closer examinations of both Chinese and Korean records, and Western scholarship, there has been many indirect links to the existence of a West Baekje, which was even greater in geography and population.
For example, Chinese scholar/librarian 宋書 recorded “Baekje is west to Yo-Ha river”.

Re: Korean claims Eastern China was a colony of Baekje

Posted: Thu May 30, 2013 4:45 pm
by greitas
As I know, it was always difficult historical relations between these countries...