ok guys...i read this forum about twice a week..
just for encouragement... as i am trying to learn with a combination of tapes... HK film and trying to talk with friends... but they are poor teachers...or are not willing to teach as much as i am to learn...
learning however i am finding is difficult...
and i need to have contact with people at my own level...poor as it may be
anyway.... maybe a few of us should really get in and start writing down some things..even basic things that we have learned....
support each other that way...
anyway... who is in..??
joi gin
Pete.
Help...!!!!
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Mak Zai (麥仔)
Re: Help...!!!!
Hi Pete,
I just want to ask you what level do you feel your at right now. If you can give me an idea, maybe I can help you with certain words or something. Are you learning to write too? I don't think I can help you with the tones though. You'll need to hear them over and over again, until they start to sink in. If you want to know certain words, just feel free to ask. Cantonese is challenging but fun. Keep up the hard work. I know a western family living in Hong Kong that speaks perfect Cantonese. Whenever I felt like giving up, I reminded myself that if they can do it, then I can too.
Keep up the good work.
學海無境,惟勤是岸
Can. hok6/9 hoi2 mou4 ging2, wai4 kan4 si6 ngon6
Man. xue2 hai3 wu2 jing4, wei2 qin2 shi4 an4
The sea of learning is boundless, only through diligence can you reach the shore.
Mak Zai
: ok guys...i read this forum about twice a week..
: just for encouragement... as i am trying to learn with a combination of tapes... HK film and trying to talk with friends... but they are poor teachers...or are not willing to teach as much as i am to learn...
: learning however i am finding is difficult...
: and i need to have contact with people at my own level...poor as it may be
: anyway.... maybe a few of us should really get in and start writing down some things..even basic things that we have learned....
: support each other that way...
: anyway... who is in..??
: joi gin
: Pete.
I just want to ask you what level do you feel your at right now. If you can give me an idea, maybe I can help you with certain words or something. Are you learning to write too? I don't think I can help you with the tones though. You'll need to hear them over and over again, until they start to sink in. If you want to know certain words, just feel free to ask. Cantonese is challenging but fun. Keep up the hard work. I know a western family living in Hong Kong that speaks perfect Cantonese. Whenever I felt like giving up, I reminded myself that if they can do it, then I can too.
Keep up the good work.
學海無境,惟勤是岸
Can. hok6/9 hoi2 mou4 ging2, wai4 kan4 si6 ngon6
Man. xue2 hai3 wu2 jing4, wei2 qin2 shi4 an4
The sea of learning is boundless, only through diligence can you reach the shore.
Mak Zai
: ok guys...i read this forum about twice a week..
: just for encouragement... as i am trying to learn with a combination of tapes... HK film and trying to talk with friends... but they are poor teachers...or are not willing to teach as much as i am to learn...
: learning however i am finding is difficult...
: and i need to have contact with people at my own level...poor as it may be
: anyway.... maybe a few of us should really get in and start writing down some things..even basic things that we have learned....
: support each other that way...
: anyway... who is in..??
: joi gin
: Pete.
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Pete
Re: Help...!!!!
thanx for the reply Mak Zai,
I guess i do check this thing more often than i thought..... how much cantonese do i know.... hmm... a bit, but i know a strange collection of different words and phrases...
ngoh haih gei sik gong jowngman
but have trouble whenever someone does speak to me in canto...i get all confused...!@#!#$
and my vocab is too small...
so basically just trying to get to the point where i can speak and understand day to day things..
so in answer to your question i am all over the place in my understanding... i am probably still a beginner...
am working out of Colloquial Cantonese, by keith Tong it is quite good.. i would reccomend it to people..
joi gin..
Pete.
I guess i do check this thing more often than i thought..... how much cantonese do i know.... hmm... a bit, but i know a strange collection of different words and phrases...
ngoh haih gei sik gong jowngman
but have trouble whenever someone does speak to me in canto...i get all confused...!@#!#$
and my vocab is too small...
so basically just trying to get to the point where i can speak and understand day to day things..
so in answer to your question i am all over the place in my understanding... i am probably still a beginner...
am working out of Colloquial Cantonese, by keith Tong it is quite good.. i would reccomend it to people..
joi gin..
Pete.
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Mak Zai (麥仔)
Re: Help...!!!!
Hi Pete,
Sorry for such a late reply.
I've been speaking mostly Mandarin and a little Cantonese the past couple years. I remember at one point, I would talk to people and was unable to understand what they were saying. I thought they spoke to fast. Nowdays I have no trouble understanding Mandarin, but I do sometimes have a little trouble understanding Cantonese. My friends from HK told me that they left HK for a couple of years, and on their return to HK there was a multitude of new slang words that even they didn't understand. There's a lot of words that I can't even find in my Cantonese dictionaries.
If you have a Cantonese radio station over there, you might want to listen to it. Here in Vancouver Canada, there is three local Chinese radio stations. Two are Cantonese, and one is Mandarin. The Mandarin station also plays Cantonese programs on certain days.
You can check on the internet for online Chinese radio stations. You should be able to find the ones I'm talking about.
I think I've seen that book from Keith Tong before. There's another great book called: Current Cantonese Colloquialisms. It was written by Yin-Ping Cream Lee. The names kinda wierd (cream), but the book is excellent. It's published by Greenwood Press.
Here's another idiom for you.
廢寢忘食 Can. fai3 tsam2 mong4 sik9
Man. fei4 qin3 wang4 shi2
( so absorbed or occupied as to) forget food and sleep
This is usually used in connection to someone that studies diligently.
Keep up the hard work
失敗乃成奶坏
Sorry for such a late reply.
I've been speaking mostly Mandarin and a little Cantonese the past couple years. I remember at one point, I would talk to people and was unable to understand what they were saying. I thought they spoke to fast. Nowdays I have no trouble understanding Mandarin, but I do sometimes have a little trouble understanding Cantonese. My friends from HK told me that they left HK for a couple of years, and on their return to HK there was a multitude of new slang words that even they didn't understand. There's a lot of words that I can't even find in my Cantonese dictionaries.
If you have a Cantonese radio station over there, you might want to listen to it. Here in Vancouver Canada, there is three local Chinese radio stations. Two are Cantonese, and one is Mandarin. The Mandarin station also plays Cantonese programs on certain days.
You can check on the internet for online Chinese radio stations. You should be able to find the ones I'm talking about.
I think I've seen that book from Keith Tong before. There's another great book called: Current Cantonese Colloquialisms. It was written by Yin-Ping Cream Lee. The names kinda wierd (cream), but the book is excellent. It's published by Greenwood Press.
Here's another idiom for you.
廢寢忘食 Can. fai3 tsam2 mong4 sik9
Man. fei4 qin3 wang4 shi2
( so absorbed or occupied as to) forget food and sleep
This is usually used in connection to someone that studies diligently.
Keep up the hard work
失敗乃成奶坏
Re: Help...!!!!
try the following:
1) http://881903.com/main/livebroadcast/
2) http://www.rthk.org.hk/engguide/
3) http://www.metroradio.com.hk/
4) http://news.tvb.com/tvnews/index.html
5) http://www.hkatvnews.com/html/new.html
6) http://www.cybertv.com.hk/main/
7) http://www.mpinews.com/
http://www.singtao.com/
they are some of the most popular media in hk, most of them provide both audio and video clips.
881903,rthk,metro,cybertv provide also live programmes as well.
enjoy:P
see you around.
1) http://881903.com/main/livebroadcast/
2) http://www.rthk.org.hk/engguide/
3) http://www.metroradio.com.hk/
4) http://news.tvb.com/tvnews/index.html
5) http://www.hkatvnews.com/html/new.html
6) http://www.cybertv.com.hk/main/
7) http://www.mpinews.com/
http://www.singtao.com/they are some of the most popular media in hk, most of them provide both audio and video clips.
881903,rthk,metro,cybertv provide also live programmes as well.
enjoy:P
see you around.
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Mak Zai (麥仔)
Re: Help...!!!!
Hi Canto,
Just want to say thank you for taking the time to post all these radio stations for us. It's much appreciated.
多謝晒
麥仔Mak Zai
: try the following:
: 1) http://881903.com/main/livebroadcast/
: 2) http://www.rthk.org.hk/engguide/
: 3) http://www.metroradio.com.hk/
: 4) http://news.tvb.com/tvnews/index.html
: 5) http://www.hkatvnews.com/html/new.html
: 6) http://www.cybertv.com.hk/main/
: 7) http://www.mpinews.com/
: http://www.singtao.com/
: they are some of the most popular media in hk, most of them provide both audio and video clips.
: 881903,rthk,metro,cybertv provide also live programmes as well.
: enjoy:P
: see you around.
Just want to say thank you for taking the time to post all these radio stations for us. It's much appreciated.
多謝晒
麥仔Mak Zai
: try the following:
: 1) http://881903.com/main/livebroadcast/
: 2) http://www.rthk.org.hk/engguide/
: 3) http://www.metroradio.com.hk/
: 4) http://news.tvb.com/tvnews/index.html
: 5) http://www.hkatvnews.com/html/new.html
: 6) http://www.cybertv.com.hk/main/
: 7) http://www.mpinews.com/
:
http://www.singtao.com/: they are some of the most popular media in hk, most of them provide both audio and video clips.
: 881903,rthk,metro,cybertv provide also live programmes as well.
: enjoy:P
: see you around.
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Eugene Morrow
Helping each other
Pete,
I've been away on a holiday so I have not been able to reply until now. I'm learning too from tapes (see some of my other items on this forum). I am convinced that the most important part of learning to speak Cantonese is the tape courses I am doing. Once I have about 1,000 words and some grammar then I think I can progress to the other things. The other things are talking to people and listening to radio and TV. I think you've found that just talking to people is a pretty unlikely way to learn - they might teach you ten or twenty words, but not hundreds. If you went to Hong Kong and lived with a family that refused to talk English SURE - you'd learn in a few months, but most of us don't have a life where that is practical.
About your idea of us helping each other: I think the best help we can provide is just encouragement and letting people know about courses. It's really hard to do romanisation schemes, and you need to hear it anyway, so I don't think we'll teach each other much. I use this forum for occasionally asking technical points to the experts, but it's just isolated things (see my question on the measure word for watch).
I'm really motivated myself, and I really enjoy this forum. I use my tapes usually twice a day, aiming at two hours a day at the moment, although some of my course work is written. This forum is fun, but the bottom line is just hours of work with tapes. I estimate 300 - 400 hours of work is needed (I've done 150 hours so far). I'll let you know when I get to the end.
Cheers,
Eugene Morrow
Sydney, Australia
I've been away on a holiday so I have not been able to reply until now. I'm learning too from tapes (see some of my other items on this forum). I am convinced that the most important part of learning to speak Cantonese is the tape courses I am doing. Once I have about 1,000 words and some grammar then I think I can progress to the other things. The other things are talking to people and listening to radio and TV. I think you've found that just talking to people is a pretty unlikely way to learn - they might teach you ten or twenty words, but not hundreds. If you went to Hong Kong and lived with a family that refused to talk English SURE - you'd learn in a few months, but most of us don't have a life where that is practical.
About your idea of us helping each other: I think the best help we can provide is just encouragement and letting people know about courses. It's really hard to do romanisation schemes, and you need to hear it anyway, so I don't think we'll teach each other much. I use this forum for occasionally asking technical points to the experts, but it's just isolated things (see my question on the measure word for watch).
I'm really motivated myself, and I really enjoy this forum. I use my tapes usually twice a day, aiming at two hours a day at the moment, although some of my course work is written. This forum is fun, but the bottom line is just hours of work with tapes. I estimate 300 - 400 hours of work is needed (I've done 150 hours so far). I'll let you know when I get to the end.
Cheers,
Eugene Morrow
Sydney, Australia
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Pete
Re: Helping each other
Eugene
well at least its good to see that another sydney boy is tryin to learn.... im still struggling my way through.... tryin to listen to tapes.... hopefully i will be able to get a bit done driving to and from uni... i think that is the best way to go.... anyway.. thanks for the reply
Pete.
well at least its good to see that another sydney boy is tryin to learn.... im still struggling my way through.... tryin to listen to tapes.... hopefully i will be able to get a bit done driving to and from uni... i think that is the best way to go.... anyway.. thanks for the reply
Pete.
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Eugene Morrow
Romanisation
Pete,
Glad to hear other from someone else learning Cantonese. Us Sydney siders are a pretty adventurous lot.
I want to clarify something I said in my previous reply. I said "It's really hard to do romanisation schemes". What I REALLY meant to say was that the Yale Romanisation I am learning is hard to do on the Internet because of the acute signs and stuff like that. So it is hard for us to help each other using Yale on the Internet.
Yes, I realise there are other romanisation schemes using numbers (see another discussion I started on this forum: High Falling Tone In Cantonese where Hubert shows me a romanisation scheme based on numbers).
I much prefer Yale, because you can just look and read it out like a book, whereas the romanisation based on numbers means you have to stop and 'work it out' so that is doesn't flow.
However, no matter how much I like Yale it is not suitable for us to use on the Internet.
Everyone has this romantic idea that the Internet can do everything. The Net is good for a lot of stuff, but things like learning a language are just too complicated (and expensive) to ever be practical online.
Regards,
Eugene
Glad to hear other from someone else learning Cantonese. Us Sydney siders are a pretty adventurous lot.
I want to clarify something I said in my previous reply. I said "It's really hard to do romanisation schemes". What I REALLY meant to say was that the Yale Romanisation I am learning is hard to do on the Internet because of the acute signs and stuff like that. So it is hard for us to help each other using Yale on the Internet.
Yes, I realise there are other romanisation schemes using numbers (see another discussion I started on this forum: High Falling Tone In Cantonese where Hubert shows me a romanisation scheme based on numbers).
I much prefer Yale, because you can just look and read it out like a book, whereas the romanisation based on numbers means you have to stop and 'work it out' so that is doesn't flow.
However, no matter how much I like Yale it is not suitable for us to use on the Internet.
Everyone has this romantic idea that the Internet can do everything. The Net is good for a lot of stuff, but things like learning a language are just too complicated (and expensive) to ever be practical online.
Regards,
Eugene