Standard hokkien

Discussions on the Hokkien (Minnan) language.
calibre2001
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I would have thought Taiwanese would be "the standard" since it is the only one with any legal status, and the only one made compulsory in schools.

If you want to learn Amoy Hokkien properly then you'll need the following two books:

閩南話教程 (17 RMB)
閩南話口語 (12 RMB)
both by 林寶卿 They both come with a CD. So cheap!

You'll also need to learn the MInnan Fangyan Pinyin Fang'an 閩南方言拼音方案 to be able to use them properly.
There is a new dictionary from Mandarin to Amoy with a blue cover, but I forget its name. I mention this one because it uses the same pinyin system and you can use it to look up all the readings for the characters that you are wondering about.

None of the other (English) books that use the terms "Amoy Hokkien" actually teach what is spoken now in Amoy.
Hi,

Those are very interesting recommendations. May I ask how you ordered these books? Which website? Presumably directly from China? Are online purchases from China tricky>?

xng
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calibre2001 wrote:
Hi,

Those are very interesting recommendations. May I ask how you ordered these books? Which website? Presumably directly from China? Are online purchases from China tricky>?
Good question. Does amazon.com carry them ?

Or are there any bookshops in malaysia/singapore which do sell them ?

calibre2001
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Re: Standard hokkien

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Hi I've checked with other forums. The main problem with amazon China (or with buying online from China whilst abroad) seems to be the payment bit, in particular payments with 'foreign' credit cards are an issue. I've had this problem even while travelling in China itself/.The best way is to have a China credit card. Another option is to buy the same book from HK or TW bookshops or source locally in your respective country.

For the time being I found some Harvard Hokkien learning videos
http://www.youku.com/playlist_show/id_3421992.html

I don't think this beats watching Taiwan talkshows with plenty of colloquial Hokkien thrown though

Ah-bin
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Sorry I haven't been around for a while. These books are rather easy to find in China, but not elsewhere. You could try a Taiwanese bookshop that sells PRC books 成品書店 (Eslite books). If you know someone who is going to China you can find them both the 書城 in Canton on the second floor - there were loads of them there in July when I went.

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Re: Standard hokkien

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Drop by for the TV query xng asked.

There's indeed a Hokkien drama entirely shot in Xiamen, a co-production between Xiamen and Taiwan. Most people in the series speak Xiamen Hokkien. You can search for it. I watched a few episodes on TV but I am not sure if it's available in Youtube. I live in Xiamen...... ^.^

一定愛幸福

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aokh1979 wrote:There's indeed a Hokkien drama entirely shot in Xiamen, a co-production between Xiamen and Taiwan. Most people in the series speak Xiamen Hokkien. You can search for it. I watched a few episodes on TV but I am not sure if it's available in Youtube. I live in Xiamen...... ^.^ 一定愛幸福
Thanks for telling us about it. I'm delighted to hear of the existence of such a film. I had a look on youtube, and there are a few clips (2?) relating to this film, but (sadly, as usual, as far as I can see) it's only the song parts. What I'd like is some real (detailed and complex) dialogue. [Perhaps the posters are worried about copyright issues, and feel that the makers of the film will be less concerned if people only post the song parts (helps to advertise the film a bit too).]

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Hi SimL:

Besides, if you want to hear some Xiamen Hokkien, you can take a look at this. Raymond Lam is a very famous TV artist in Hong Kong. He was born and raised in Xiamen though. This is the only clip I have about him speaking Xiamen Hokkien.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVw7Li5FrLk

:lol:

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Hi aokh,

Thanks for posting that link. Very interesting. I don't really understand anything the woman at the beginning is saying - probably a combination of the fact that her accent is a bit different, and she's using more sophisticated vocabulary.

I can understand the two guys a bit more, but still quite difficult. One could perhaps say that most of the time I have a general idea of what they are saying, and once in a while I understand whole exchanges of 2-3 sentences. That's a long way from really understanding the whole interview, but at least a lot better than with the woman, where I don't understand anything at all.

Interesting (but not surprising) to see how the two guys switch from Amoy to Mandarin and back quite a lot. No different from what I do with English, when speaking Hokkien, I guess.

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Oh. She's not Xiamenese. They hired her from Taiwan but frankly, she uses more Mandarin words than myself ! She spoke in a Taiwan accent and I basically understood everything she said. Including the interview, which was easier. Raymond speaks flawless Cantonese, too. He's very famous now ~
:lol:

niuc
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Hi Sim

You can watch 一定愛幸福 at http://www.tudou.com/playlist/id/2660534/.

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Hi Niuc,

Wow! Thanks! That's a lot of film time, and I probably won't be able to understand a lot of it, but I'll certainly give it a go. Isn't the internet marvellous? :P.

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Hi Sim

You're most welcome. I only watched a tiny bit of it, so far it sounded like Taiwanese (not surprising as it is a co-production). I have yet to visit E-mng (Xiamen), but IMHO E-mng/Amoy Hokkien sounds something like in the "Jesus" film ( http://www.jesusfilm.org/film-and-media/watch-the-film ). I have a E-mng colleague here in Singapore, his Hokkien accent is like the one found in the "Jesus" film.

My priest often says, half jokingly, that internet is a devil's tool, but surely he also encourages us to make a good use of it. While it can be misused, as virtually everything can be, it is very useful for communication & info searching etc. I heartily agree with you that internet indeed is marvellous! :mrgreen:

xng
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Lin Fung was born in xiamen BUT raised in Hong Kong, he speaks flawless cantonese but his minnan is just 'passable' with a lot of mandarin words thrown in to patch up his deficiency in minnan. So I wouldn't learn from him or take his variant of minnan as xiamen ....

The woman at the beginning of the clip is a taiwanese actress/emcee as she has appeared in a lot of taiwan shows. That would be called taiwan accent rather than xiamen accent.

I would like to hear a true blue xiamen guy speaking xiamen dialect ie. born and raised in Xiamen and speaking minnan for his whole life and not mandarin mixed with minnan. :lol:

xng
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niuc wrote:Hi Sim

You can watch 一定愛幸福 at http://www.tudou.com/playlist/id/2660534/.
I watched episode 8 for the first 10 mins. It seems that most of the actors are actually Taiwanese and NOT xiamen. I have seen these guys in Taiwanese shows before.

Aren't there any 100% pure Xiamen shows with true bred Xiamen guys ?

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There were period dramas on every evening in Amoy in late 2006. I just can't remember their names. They were definitely Amoy speakers, using lit instead of jit 日 and so on.

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