Sandhi rules

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AndrewAndrew
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Sandhi rules

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I was just wondering - do 去 and 起 really have the same sandhi in Pg Hokkien, and if so how would anyone tell them apart, apart from context?
Ah-bin
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Re: Sandhi rules

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Does khì sandhi in compounds, I wonder? I can only think of

Khì-khùn去睏 – to go to bed

But I'm not sure whether the first one sandhis or not, or if verbs like khùn 睏 make the verbs in front of them sandhi. As far as places go, I suppose it could be ambiguous, but the place would make it clear. Khì bus ê ūi (go to where the bus is) vs. khí bus (get on the bus).

Whereas khí has many meanings and in the senses of "build" and "ascend" and "start feeling/going" (of feelings or mental states) it takes direct objects and sandhis.

Khí-lâu 起樓 – to build a building
Khí-siān 起閑 – to sick of, or get fed up of something
Khí-siáu 起痟 – to go crazy, go nuts
Khí-tâng 起童 – to be possessed by a deity, said of a thiàu-tâng
Khí-thiⁿ 起天 – to go to Heaven

The verbal suffixes lai 來 and khi 去 don't make the verb sandhi, and khi 去 (neutral tone) is never used with the main verb khì 去 anyway.

This is just my feeling from what i have heard....not being a native speaker I couldn't possibly give an authoritative comment.
amhoanna
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Re: Sandhi rules

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Andrew kah kok'ui,

Goa hionghiong koatteng beh lai Pineng liau! Ciaukong si 9 ho hit jit ui Kapbi (Siamte) ce chia kau, 11 ho koh ce poecun cau. Goa Siamte chiuki'a khong pat, su khong khong pat, liok ngou ngou kiu. Na lulang hia hoanse si kong co khong poeh, si khong khong poeh, lak gou gou kau. :-) Goa na kau Pineng u cuci kah caite chiuki'a ciahkoh po takge cai. U eng ciah chutlai sip--citpoe'a.
AndrewAndrew
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Re: Sandhi rules

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Ah-bin wrote:Does khì sandhi in compounds, I wonder? I can only think of

Khì-khùn去睏 – to go to bed

But I'm not sure whether the first one sandhis or not, or if verbs like khùn 睏 make the verbs in front of them sandhi. As far as places go, I suppose it could be ambiguous, but the place would make it clear. Khì bus ê ūi (go to where the bus is) vs. khí bus (get on the bus).
It does sandhi in your example. I too can't think of any others.
AndrewAndrew
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Re: Sandhi rules

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amhoanna wrote:Andrew kah kok'ui,

Goa hionghiong koatteng beh lai Pineng liau! Ciaukong si 9 ho hit jit ui Kapbi (Siamte) ce chia kau, 11 ho koh ce poecun cau. Goa Siamte chiuki'a khong pat, su khong khong pat, liok ngou ngou kiu. Na lulang hia hoanse si kong co khong poeh, si khong khong poeh, lak gou gou kau. :-) Goa na kau Pineng u cuci kah caite chiuki'a ciahkoh po takge cai. U eng ciah chutlai sip--citpoe'a.
Ho. Goa e tianoa hothau si: khong it lak, peh it khong, si gO ji ji.
amhoanna
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Re: Sandhi rules

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Toà Pineng ci̍t ji̍t poàⁿ, íkeng koh khíkha lâikàu pa̍t'ūi liáu. Kámsiā saⁿ ūi pêng'iú ê ciauthāi. Cit cūn tī Goālâmbāng, āu lépài beh lâi Pasáng liáu.
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