<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?> <feed xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom" xml:lang="en-gb"> <link rel="self" type="application/atom+xml" href="http://chineselanguage.org/forums/app.php/feed/topic/2345" /> <title>Chinese languages</title> <subtitle>Chinese languages</subtitle> <link href="http://chineselanguage.org/forums/index.php" /> <updated>2005-12-09T01:21:04+00:00</updated> <author><name><![CDATA[Chinese languages]]></name></author> <id>http://chineselanguage.org/forums/app.php/feed/topic/2345</id> <entry> <author><name><![CDATA[Anonymous]]></name></author> <updated>2005-12-09T01:21:04+00:00</updated> <published>2005-12-09T01:21:04+00:00</published> <id>http://chineselanguage.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=16050#p16050</id> <link href="http://chineselanguage.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=16050#p16050"/> <title type="html"><![CDATA[Written form]]></title> <content type="html" xml:base="http://chineselanguage.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=16050#p16050"><![CDATA[ shouda been <kids'> not <kid's> - hm <img class="smilies" src="http://chineselanguage.org/forums/images/smilies/icon_redface.gif" width="15" height="15" alt=":oops:" title="Embarassed"><p>Statistics: Posted by Guest — Fri Dec 09, 2005 1:21 am</p><hr /> ]]></content> </entry> <entry> <author><name><![CDATA[Anonymous]]></name></author> <updated>2005-12-09T01:20:20+00:00</updated> <published>2005-12-09T01:20:20+00:00</published> <id>http://chineselanguage.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=16049#p16049</id> <link href="http://chineselanguage.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=16049#p16049"/> <title type="html"><![CDATA[Written form]]></title> <content type="html" xml:base="http://chineselanguage.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=16049#p16049"><![CDATA[ PS:<br><br>Did you notice that the kid's chorus that repeats the lesson the second time around is actually the same speaker, just slowed down a bit and resampled several times to create the impression of a group - pretty cool digital effect <img class="smilies" src="http://chineselanguage.org/forums/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif" width="15" height="15" alt=";-)" title="Wink"><br><br>Regards,<br>Aurelio<p>Statistics: Posted by Guest — Fri Dec 09, 2005 1:20 am</p><hr /> ]]></content> </entry> <entry> <author><name><![CDATA[Anonymous]]></name></author> <updated>2005-12-09T01:14:45+00:00</updated> <published>2005-12-09T01:14:45+00:00</published> <id>http://chineselanguage.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=16048#p16048</id> <link href="http://chineselanguage.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=16048#p16048"/> <title type="html"><![CDATA[Written form]]></title> <content type="html" xml:base="http://chineselanguage.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=16048#p16048"><![CDATA[ Hong,<br><br>Wonder where you get all these links from <img class="smilies" src="http://chineselanguage.org/forums/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif" width="15" height="15" alt=";-)" title="Wink"> Some of them did not work, but I could open these:<br> <br><a href="http://www.zxp.ks.edu.tw/country3" class="postlink">www.zxp.ks.edu.tw/country3</a> <br><a href="http://www.mina.ks.edu.tw/mina4/index.htm" class="postlink">www.mina.ks.edu.tw/mina4/index.htm</a> <br><a href="http://www.mina.ks.edu.tw/mina01/htm/main.htm" class="postlink">www.mina.ks.edu.tw/mina01/htm/main.htm</a> <br> <br>and they are pretty good! They are obviously meant for children, but I think they are also good for beginners (I'll definitely have a good look at them). Ephrium, if you know how to read Hanzi (and I guess you do) you might find them interesting, too.<br><br>Regards,<br>Aurelio<br><br>P.S.: This shows again that Taiwan is the best place to turn to to find information on Hokkien, hm.<p>Statistics: Posted by Guest — Fri Dec 09, 2005 1:14 am</p><hr /> ]]></content> </entry> <entry> <author><name><![CDATA[Anonymous]]></name></author> <updated>2005-12-09T01:04:53+00:00</updated> <published>2005-12-09T01:04:53+00:00</published> <id>http://chineselanguage.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=16047#p16047</id> <link href="http://chineselanguage.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=16047#p16047"/> <title type="html"><![CDATA[Written form]]></title> <content type="html" xml:base="http://chineselanguage.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=16047#p16047"><![CDATA[ Hong,<br><br>Thanks for the addition/ correction. Yes, there is considerable variation in the tones, just like there is considerable variation in the overall pronunciation. I, myself, use a rising tone in most cases for "tone 1" - because that's the way my wife pronounces it <img class="smilies" src="http://chineselanguage.org/forums/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif" width="15" height="15" alt=";-)" title="Wink">. But since you gotta start somewhere, I thought I'd just quote the Xiamen tone contours. It's like learning English - having learned British RP (received ponunciation), you'll have a hard time at first understanding a guy from say, TX - but after a few days, your ears will have adjusted completely. <br><br>Regards,<br>Leo<p>Statistics: Posted by Guest — Fri Dec 09, 2005 1:04 am</p><hr /> ]]></content> </entry> <entry> <author><name><![CDATA[Anonymous]]></name></author> <updated>2005-12-08T13:39:37+00:00</updated> <published>2005-12-08T13:39:37+00:00</published> <id>http://chineselanguage.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=16043#p16043</id> <link href="http://chineselanguage.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=16043#p16043"/> <title type="html"><![CDATA[Written form]]></title> <content type="html" xml:base="http://chineselanguage.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=16043#p16043"><![CDATA[ <a href="http://www.mina.ks.edu.tw/mina4/index.htm" class="postlink">www.mina.ks.edu.tw/mina4/index.htm</a><br><a href="http://www.mina.ks.edu.tw/mina01/htm/main.htm" class="postlink">www.mina.ks.edu.tw/mina01/htm/main.htm</a><p>Statistics: Posted by Guest — Thu Dec 08, 2005 1:39 pm</p><hr /> ]]></content> </entry> <entry> <author><name><![CDATA[Anonymous]]></name></author> <updated>2005-12-08T13:35:26+00:00</updated> <published>2005-12-08T13:35:26+00:00</published> <id>http://chineselanguage.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=16042#p16042</id> <link href="http://chineselanguage.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=16042#p16042"/> <title type="html"><![CDATA[Written form]]></title> <content type="html" xml:base="http://chineselanguage.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=16042#p16042"><![CDATA[ <a href="http://www.zxp.ks.edu.tw/country3" class="postlink">www.zxp.ks.edu.tw/country3</a><p>Statistics: Posted by Guest — Thu Dec 08, 2005 1:35 pm</p><hr /> ]]></content> </entry> <entry> <author><name><![CDATA[Anonymous]]></name></author> <updated>2005-12-08T13:33:28+00:00</updated> <published>2005-12-08T13:33:28+00:00</published> <id>http://chineselanguage.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=16041#p16041</id> <link href="http://chineselanguage.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=16041#p16041"/> <title type="html"><![CDATA[Written form]]></title> <content type="html" xml:base="http://chineselanguage.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=16041#p16041"><![CDATA[ <a href="http://163.16.116.199/ce/blue/mainb.htm" class="postlink">http://163.16.116.199/ce/blue/mainb.htm</a><p>Statistics: Posted by Guest — Thu Dec 08, 2005 1:33 pm</p><hr /> ]]></content> </entry> <entry> <author><name><![CDATA[Anonymous]]></name></author> <updated>2005-12-08T13:27:28+00:00</updated> <published>2005-12-08T13:27:28+00:00</published> <id>http://chineselanguage.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=16040#p16040</id> <link href="http://chineselanguage.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=16040#p16040"/> <title type="html"><![CDATA[Written form]]></title> <content type="html" xml:base="http://chineselanguage.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=16040#p16040"><![CDATA[ <a href="http://www.mina.ks.edu.tw/mina1/newfile.html" class="postlink">www.mina.ks.edu.tw/mina1/newfile.html</a><p>Statistics: Posted by Guest — Thu Dec 08, 2005 1:27 pm</p><hr /> ]]></content> </entry> <entry> <author><name><![CDATA[Anonymous]]></name></author> <updated>2005-12-08T10:09:25+00:00</updated> <published>2005-12-08T10:09:25+00:00</published> <id>http://chineselanguage.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=16039#p16039</id> <link href="http://chineselanguage.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=16039#p16039"/> <title type="html"><![CDATA[Written form]]></title> <content type="html" xml:base="http://chineselanguage.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=16039#p16039"><![CDATA[ Sorry ,I give up trying to give direct address<br><a href="http://163.20.78.180/study" class="postlink">http://163.20.78.180/study</a> <br>click 901017台語教學研習相關資料 then click TLPA<br>click 台語研習班 for a 10 mb 增補閩南語音系。<br>This file has cuanciu sound recording ,it could be the only one with cuanciu sandhi and sound.<p>Statistics: Posted by Guest — Thu Dec 08, 2005 10:09 am</p><hr /> ]]></content> </entry> <entry> <author><name><![CDATA[Anonymous]]></name></author> <updated>2005-12-08T10:02:54+00:00</updated> <published>2005-12-08T10:02:54+00:00</published> <id>http://chineselanguage.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=16038#p16038</id> <link href="http://chineselanguage.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=16038#p16038"/> <title type="html"><![CDATA[Written form]]></title> <content type="html" xml:base="http://chineselanguage.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=16038#p16038"><![CDATA[ sorry ,a bad link above<br><a href="http://163.20.78.180/study/901017/%E5%8F%B0%E8%AA%9E%E6%95%99%E5%AD%B8%E7%9B%B8%E9%97%9C%E8%B3%87%E6%96%99/TLPA/%E5%8F%B0%E8%AA%9E%E7%A0%94%E7%BF%92%E7%8F%AD" class="postlink">http://163.20.78.180/study/901017/台語教學相關資料/TLPA/台語研習班</a><p>Statistics: Posted by Guest — Thu Dec 08, 2005 10:02 am</p><hr /> ]]></content> </entry> <entry> <author><name><![CDATA[Anonymous]]></name></author> <updated>2005-12-08T09:59:39+00:00</updated> <published>2005-12-08T09:59:39+00:00</published> <id>http://chineselanguage.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=16037#p16037</id> <link href="http://chineselanguage.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=16037#p16037"/> <title type="html"><![CDATA[Written form]]></title> <content type="html" xml:base="http://chineselanguage.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=16037#p16037"><![CDATA[ <a href="http://163.20.78.180/study/901017%E5%8F%B0%E8%AA%9E%E6%95%99%E5%AD%B8%E7%A0%94%E7%BF%92%E7%9B%B8%E9%97%9C%E8%B3%87%E6%96%99/TLPA/%E5%8F%B0%E8%AA%9E%E7%A0%94%E7%BF%92%E7%8F%AD/%E5%A2%9E%E8%A3%9C%E9%96%A9%E5%8D%97%E8%AA%9E%E9%9F%B3%E7%B3%BB%E3%80%82DOC" class="postlink">http://163.20.78.180/study/901017台語教學研習 ... 補閩南語音系。DOC</a><p>Statistics: Posted by Guest — Thu Dec 08, 2005 9:59 am</p><hr /> ]]></content> </entry> <entry> <author><name><![CDATA[Anonymous]]></name></author> <updated>2005-12-08T09:19:06+00:00</updated> <published>2005-12-08T09:19:06+00:00</published> <id>http://chineselanguage.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=16036#p16036</id> <link href="http://chineselanguage.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=16036#p16036"/> <title type="html"><![CDATA[Written form]]></title> <content type="html" xml:base="http://chineselanguage.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=16036#p16036"><![CDATA[ The most common one, which can make u understood thruout the board.<br><br>But I tot of an idea. Since this thread contains sufficient ideas/info, In future when any1 raises questions we just point him/her to :<br><br><a href="http://www.chineselanguage.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2345&sid=f143615bcad26b6865db7aaa3e2330bc" class="postlink">viewtopic.php?t=2345&sid=f143615bcad26b ... aa3e2330bc</a><br><br>Which is this thread. Still, sticky/read me , will be the best.<p>Statistics: Posted by Guest — Thu Dec 08, 2005 9:19 am</p><hr /> ]]></content> </entry> <entry> <author><name><![CDATA[Anonymous]]></name></author> <updated>2005-12-08T05:43:24+00:00</updated> <published>2005-12-08T05:43:24+00:00</published> <id>http://chineselanguage.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=16030#p16030</id> <link href="http://chineselanguage.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=16030#p16030"/> <title type="html"><![CDATA[Written form]]></title> <content type="html" xml:base="http://chineselanguage.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=16030#p16030"><![CDATA[ I think we must ask Eph what kind of minnan he wants to learn.<br>8th tone is low/middle rising in almost every sect except xiamen/longhai/yongchun baidu/tongan.Ciangciu city is 121.The sound is not the same at all.<br>Also first tone in longhai/dehua are low rising which more like second tone of mandarin.Fifth tone in dehua is a bit like first tone of mandarin.<p>Statistics: Posted by Guest — Thu Dec 08, 2005 5:43 am</p><hr /> ]]></content> </entry> <entry> <author><name><![CDATA[Anonymous]]></name></author> <updated>2005-12-08T04:53:25+00:00</updated> <published>2005-12-08T04:53:25+00:00</published> <id>http://chineselanguage.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=16029#p16029</id> <link href="http://chineselanguage.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=16029#p16029"/> <title type="html"><![CDATA[Written form]]></title> <content type="html" xml:base="http://chineselanguage.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=16029#p16029"><![CDATA[ Cool <img class="smilies" src="http://chineselanguage.org/forums/images/smilies/icon_cool.gif" width="15" height="15" alt="8)" title="Cool"> <br><br>There are 7 different tones in Hokkien, but only 5 different contours, namely (in Amoy Hokkien):<br><br>'high' (high and level, like the 1st tone in Mandarin)<br>'rising' (like the 2nd tone in Mandarin)<br>'falling' (like the 4th tone in Mandarin)<br>'low' (no equivalent - think lower end of your voice register)<br>'mid' (no equivalent - think mid-range of your voice register and level)<br><br>That's not too hard, is it? Now, words with a final stop like -h, -p, -t, -k can come with the high or the low contour. So, in total you get the following tones:<br><br>(1) 'high'<br>(2) 'falling'<br>(3) 'low'<br>(4) 'low with stop'<br>(5) 'rising'<br>(6) = (2) - it's therefore not listed separately<br>(7) 'mid'<br>(8 ) 'high with stop'<br><br>I assume you're trying to sing these as you read <img class="smilies" src="http://chineselanguage.org/forums/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif" width="15" height="15" alt=":wink:" title="Wink"> <br><br>Now with examples:<br><br>(1) 天 thiN1 (sky)<br>(2) 汝 lu2 (you)<br>(3) 做 tsoe3 (to do)<br>(4) 卽 chit4 (this)<br>(5) 來 lai5<br>(6) = (2)<br>(7) 有 u7 (to have)<br>(8 ) 一 chit8 (one)<br><br>Tones 1 and 5 are pronounced like in Mandarin. That's no coincidence: There is a historical connection between the tones. When you list them in the old terminology of 平上去入, you get:<br><br>上平 Hok 1 M1<br>下平 Hok 5 M2<br>上 Hok 2 M3<br>上去 Hok 3 M4<br>下去 Hok 7 M4<br>上入 Hok 4 no rule<br>去入 Hok 8 no rule<br><br>So for tones 1, 5, 2 you can say: if you know the Hokkien tone, you do also know the Mandarin tone (and vice versa most of the time). If it's tone 3 or 7 in Hokkien then it's tone 4 in Mandarin (unfortunately, there's no way of telling the other way round). Mandarin lost the 入 tone and distributed all words in that category over the other tones - that's why sometimes the relation above does not seem to work! <br><br>So, that's Hokkien tones in a nutshell. One more important issue: Tones shift in combination (it wasn't difficult enough, right?). Hong's wbsite explains how ...<br><br>Regards,<br>Aurelio<p>Statistics: Posted by Guest — Thu Dec 08, 2005 4:53 am</p><hr /> ]]></content> </entry> <entry> <author><name><![CDATA[Anonymous]]></name></author> <updated>2005-12-08T01:55:58+00:00</updated> <published>2005-12-08T01:55:58+00:00</published> <id>http://chineselanguage.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=16027#p16027</id> <link href="http://chineselanguage.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=16027#p16027"/> <title type="html"><![CDATA[Written form]]></title> <content type="html" xml:base="http://chineselanguage.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=16027#p16027"><![CDATA[ <a href="http://web.htps.tn.edu.tw/90ct/tlpa/mindex.htm" class="postlink">http://web.htps.tn.edu.tw/90ct/tlpa/mindex.htm</a><p>Statistics: Posted by Guest — Thu Dec 08, 2005 1:55 am</p><hr /> ]]></content> </entry> </feed>