<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?> <feed xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom" xml:lang="en-gb"> <link rel="self" type="application/atom+xml" href="http://chineselanguage.org/forums/app.php/feed/topic/2095" /> <title>Chinese languages</title> <subtitle>Chinese languages</subtitle> <link href="http://chineselanguage.org/forums/index.php" /> <updated>2009-08-30T08:52:05+00:00</updated> <author><name><![CDATA[Chinese languages]]></name></author> <id>http://chineselanguage.org/forums/app.php/feed/topic/2095</id> <entry> <author><name><![CDATA[unnai]]></name></author> <updated>2009-08-30T08:52:05+00:00</updated> <published>2009-08-30T08:52:05+00:00</published> <id>http://chineselanguage.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=25411#p25411</id> <link href="http://chineselanguage.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=25411#p25411"/> <title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Yes and No in wenyan]]></title> <content type="html" xml:base="http://chineselanguage.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=25411#p25411"><![CDATA[ I heard a phrase used in the movie 風雲, "此乃是非之地". That got me wondering: Is the subject of the sentence "是非之地" (i.e. "decision ground") or "非之地" (i.e. "evil ground").<p>Statistics: Posted by <a href="http://chineselanguage.org/forums/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=6119">unnai</a> — Sun Aug 30, 2009 8:52 am</p><hr /> ]]></content> </entry> <entry> <author><name><![CDATA[Anonymous]]></name></author> <updated>2005-06-16T01:09:23+00:00</updated> <published>2005-06-16T01:09:23+00:00</published> <id>http://chineselanguage.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=15076#p15076</id> <link href="http://chineselanguage.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=15076#p15076"/> <title type="html"><![CDATA[Yes and No in wenyan]]></title> <content type="html" xml:base="http://chineselanguage.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=15076#p15076"><![CDATA[ 失敗乃成功之母 nai is 動詞 here.<br>副詞 for nai is for 竟﹐居然﹐才﹐始<br>連詞 nai is 然後﹐卻﹐而﹐若。<br>代詞for nai is 他﹐你 。<br>諾 is a reply for yes.<p>Statistics: Posted by Guest — Thu Jun 16, 2005 1:09 am</p><hr /> ]]></content> </entry> <entry> <author><name><![CDATA[Mark Yong]]></name></author> <updated>2005-06-15T14:40:19+00:00</updated> <published>2005-06-15T14:40:19+00:00</published> <id>http://chineselanguage.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=15068#p15068</id> <link href="http://chineselanguage.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=15068#p15068"/> <title type="html"><![CDATA[Yes and No in wenyan]]></title> <content type="html" xml:base="http://chineselanguage.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=15068#p15068"><![CDATA[ Thanks, Amego. That really helped to clear things up. My Classical Chinese text - Michael A. Fuller's "An Introduction to Literary Chinese" - lists all the words for "no", but not for "yes". So far, I have only been able to find 然. But 然 is used in the context of "...是這樣". What I was also looking for was "這個是...", which you have identified as 乃.<br><br>Cheers,<br>Mark<p>Statistics: Posted by <a href="http://chineselanguage.org/forums/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=418">Mark Yong</a> — Wed Jun 15, 2005 2:40 pm</p><hr /> ]]></content> </entry> <entry> <author><name><![CDATA[Anonymous]]></name></author> <updated>2005-06-15T08:23:10+00:00</updated> <published>2005-06-15T08:23:10+00:00</published> <id>http://chineselanguage.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=15062#p15062</id> <link href="http://chineselanguage.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=15062#p15062"/> <title type="html"><![CDATA[Yes and No in wenyan]]></title> <content type="html" xml:base="http://chineselanguage.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=15062#p15062"><![CDATA[ <blockquote class="uncited"><div>Hi, Amego,<br><br>Thanks. Interesting that you brought up the word 乃. I heard a phrase used in the movie 風雲, "此乃是非之地". That got me wondering: Is the subject of the sentence "是非之地" (i.e. "decision ground") or "非之地" (i.e. "evil ground"). In other words, is the imperative particle "乃" or "乃是"?<br><br>Hope I am making sense.<br><br>Regards,<br>Mark</div></blockquote>Yoyo Mark...Well this is an interesting qns....i will give u a complete answer =p<br><br>First lets look at e phrase...此-乃是-非之地 & 此-乃-是非之地...both are possible...so if you can listen to the phrase from 風雲 again, then look out whether its 此乃是<pause>非之地 or 此乃<pause>是非之地...its probably the latter, so the ans is out...but we cannot assume now....<br><br>In my dict, it says, <br><br>乃:[副]乃是,就是<br>[注意] 乃不等於是, 不能算是動詞或係詞.<br>我們可以說 不是,但不能說不乃.由此可證明它不是單純的動詞或係詞.<br><br>Therefore <em class="text-italics">officially</em>, 乃 cannot exist alone.<br><br>BUT i've got some solid examples that it can,<br><br>"失敗乃成功之母。" Failure precedes success.<br><br>Haha...but yet i have an INTERESTING example....<br><br>"錢財乃是身外物。" Smooth...think tt's wat ppl says...<br>"錢財乃身外之物。" Flowing...<br>"錢財乃身外物。" Seems to be missing something...<br>"錢財乃是身外之物。" Quite smooth... <br><br><br>I think the above is e ultimate example...therefore BOTH terms makes sense....it depends on the very context ba...<br><br>Therefore, to your question, based on my experience and logic, <br>"此乃是非之地", <br><br>"乃"為係詞,<br><br>"是非之地"為名詞<br><br>P.S. 此-乃是-非之地...is not very smooth...<br><br>haha okok...i don act chim le....hope it ans ur qns =p<p>Statistics: Posted by Guest — Wed Jun 15, 2005 8:23 am</p><hr /> ]]></content> </entry> <entry> <author><name><![CDATA[Mark Yong]]></name></author> <updated>2005-06-14T09:21:03+00:00</updated> <published>2005-06-14T09:21:03+00:00</published> <id>http://chineselanguage.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=15052#p15052</id> <link href="http://chineselanguage.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=15052#p15052"/> <title type="html"><![CDATA[Yes and No in wenyan]]></title> <content type="html" xml:base="http://chineselanguage.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=15052#p15052"><![CDATA[ Hi, Amego,<br><br>Thanks. Interesting that you brought up the word 乃. I heard a phrase used in the movie 風雲, "此乃是非之地". That got me wondering: Is the subject of the sentence "是非之地" (i.e. "decision ground") or "非之地" (i.e. "evil ground"). In other words, is the imperative particle "乃" or "乃是"?<br><br>Hope I am making sense.<br><br>Regards,<br>Mark<p>Statistics: Posted by <a href="http://chineselanguage.org/forums/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=418">Mark Yong</a> — Tue Jun 14, 2005 9:21 am</p><hr /> ]]></content> </entry> <entry> <author><name><![CDATA[Anonymous]]></name></author> <updated>2005-06-14T09:06:37+00:00</updated> <published>2005-06-14T09:06:37+00:00</published> <id>http://chineselanguage.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=15050#p15050</id> <link href="http://chineselanguage.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=15050#p15050"/> <title type="html"><![CDATA[Yes and No in wenyan]]></title> <content type="html" xml:base="http://chineselanguage.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=15050#p15050"><![CDATA[ yoz...actualli there are still quite a number of others...<br><br>不要- 勿 休 別 <br>不是- 否 毋 非 <br>沒有- 無 <br>不能- ??<br>不可- 莫 叵<br>不用- 免<br>還沒- 未<br><br>as for 是, wenyan is 乃<br><br>therefore, I am so-and-so becomes<br><br>吾乃某某也. <br><br>The 也 functions much as -desu in Japanese.<br> <br>And of course, 不是 is 非也.<br><br>Hope it helps in any way =P<p>Statistics: Posted by Guest — Tue Jun 14, 2005 9:06 am</p><hr /> ]]></content> </entry> <entry> <author><name><![CDATA[Mark Yong]]></name></author> <updated>2005-04-30T16:16:01+00:00</updated> <published>2005-04-30T16:16:01+00:00</published> <id>http://chineselanguage.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=14122#p14122</id> <link href="http://chineselanguage.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=14122#p14122"/> <title type="html"><![CDATA[Yes and No in wenyan]]></title> <content type="html" xml:base="http://chineselanguage.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=14122#p14122"><![CDATA[ I am compiling a list of negatives and positives used in Classical Chinese:<br><br>不 - negater of verbs/actions<br>未 - negator of actions (not yet)<br>無 - negator of existence (none)<br>非 - negator of nouns (it is not)<br>勿 - negative imperative (do not)<br>莫 - negative distributive (there is no case of)<br>免 - negator of requirement (no need)<br><br>可- can (opposite of 勿)<br>能 - can (opposite of 勿)<br>必- must (opposite of 免)<br>有 - existence (opposite of 無)<br><br>I am trying to find out the word for "yes", i.e. just affirming a statement or identity, e.g. "yes, I am such-and-such". I am aware that 是 cannot be used, as it means "this". If so, is the word 然? I note that it is used in 孟子 on its own to denote "yes, the previous statement is so".<p>Statistics: Posted by <a href="http://chineselanguage.org/forums/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=418">Mark Yong</a> — Sat Apr 30, 2005 4:16 pm</p><hr /> ]]></content> </entry> </feed>