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	<updated>2012-02-21T04:09:40+00:00</updated>

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		<author><name><![CDATA[Ah-bin]]></name></author>
		<updated>2012-02-21T04:09:40+00:00</updated>

		<published>2012-02-21T04:09:40+00:00</published>
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As I suspected, the regulations are just a reiteration of the PRC language law passed in 2000 and nothing new added as far as I can see. Even the simplified character rulings are straight from the 2000 law.<br>The very fact that the law had to reiterated at provincial level shows that the national law has been ineffective. <br><br>I somehow doubt that people are going to get upset enough about it to risk protest this time. So many people have been locked up since the last round of protests the atmosphere is quite different even from last year. <br><br>Of course they don't need to ban Cantonese completely, it's less confrontational to just create an environment in which non-Mandarin Chinese languages have no monetary value and carry no status, then they can sit back quietly and watch their citizens do their own destruction work.<p>Statistics: Posted by <a href="http://chineselanguage.org/forums/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=1174">Ah-bin</a> — Tue Feb 21, 2012 4:09 am</p><hr />
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		<author><name><![CDATA[amhoanna]]></name></author>
		<updated>2012-02-21T03:20:48+00:00</updated>

		<published>2012-02-21T03:20:48+00:00</published>
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I remember hearing about this policy. My guess is enforcement will peter out quick and nothing will happen. <br><br>The same "antibiotics" that the gahmen's been using to wipe out other Sino languages has only made Cantonese stronger. Yet stronger enforcement could lead to rebellion, and the overthrow of another overfed Northern gahmen. Imagine if the Hokkiens and Hakka had this kind of backbone. Byebye, PRC.<br><br>Why are Hokkiens so tiam / diam? I think it's a form of kiaⁿsu. It's like when you speak up, it's gotta be perfect, and perfectly appreciated by all. If not, U'll come off looking low-class. And for some reason Hokkiens are deathly afraid of this.<br><br>Saya orang Taiwan lah. Benar, saya adalah "orang SEA" juga. I see no reason not to count Taiwan, tropical China and maybe the Ryukyus as SEA too. And Taiwan is also within Nusantara.<p>Statistics: Posted by <a href="http://chineselanguage.org/forums/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=7909">amhoanna</a> — Tue Feb 21, 2012 3:20 am</p><hr />
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		<author><name><![CDATA[Waterclock]]></name></author>
		<updated>2012-02-19T08:18:59+00:00</updated>

		<published>2012-02-19T08:18:59+00:00</published>
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I'm really impressed by your knowledge of our people(s) (e.g. southern Chinese)!<br><br>Yes, I've read elsewhere that Hokkien people are far less vocal than Teochiu people about their culture and language. Why is this?<br><br>Where are you from? (Let me take a guess. You're obviously from SEA. Possibly Singapore or Malaysia? I'm leaning more toward Singapore.)<br><br>Btw, have you heard of the new policy to come into force 3/1 to suppress Cantonese? What do you think of this? Do you think the effects will be significant?<p>Statistics: Posted by <a href="http://chineselanguage.org/forums/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=14436">Waterclock</a> — Sun Feb 19, 2012 8:18 am</p><hr />
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		<author><name><![CDATA[amhoanna]]></name></author>
		<updated>2012-02-18T15:44:37+00:00</updated>

		<published>2012-02-18T15:44:37+00:00</published>
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I should add that when I flew from Bangkok to Chimcun 深圳 on Air Asia last yr, the aisles were awash with the sounds of Teochew. To some extent, Chimcun is becoming to the Teochews what Hong Kong was for the Cantonese, or Shanghai for orang Ningbo 寧波.<p>Statistics: Posted by <a href="http://chineselanguage.org/forums/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=7909">amhoanna</a> — Sat Feb 18, 2012 3:44 pm</p><hr />
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		<author><name><![CDATA[amhoanna]]></name></author>
		<updated>2012-02-18T15:37:37+00:00</updated>

		<published>2012-02-18T15:37:37+00:00</published>
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I would bet large that in some cases it was real Teochews playing Hokkien music. <br><br>In other cases it was more likely Haklaus from the Háihong - Lo̍k'hong - Soàⁿboé area playing Hokkien music. They speak a language half way btw Teochew and Hokkien, although they're located half way between Swatow and Hong Kong. <br><br>In yet other cases I think it was "real Hokkiens", Banlamese from the South of Hokkien, playing Hokkien music. <br><br>I'm talking about Canton and Chimcun (深圳) here. What's the Teochew : Haklau : Banlamese ratio in Chimcun? Maybe something like 6:2:1? Just a guess. In Canton it might be something like 15:4:1. Hokkien music from Taiwan is definitely in the air, and it can't just be Banlamese playing it, or even Banlamese and Haklaus combined.<br><br>My impression of modern, PRC Banlamese is that, just like the "Hokkiens" that sailed south, they really tend to shut up when they go out in public -- compared to other kinds of people in Southeast Asia, inc. Teochews. <br><br>Every record shop or stall I've ever visited in Teochew has had some Taiwanese Hoklo music on offer. The selection becomes immense when U get to the Haklau areas, or the eastern, Banlam-speaking end of Lam'o 南澳 Island, which is part of Swatow. <br><br>I guess there's not much of it out there, but ,to me, a song with colloquial Teochew lyrics (emphas. on colloquial) is a true-blue Hoklo song as far as i'm concerned.<p>Statistics: Posted by <a href="http://chineselanguage.org/forums/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=7909">amhoanna</a> — Sat Feb 18, 2012 3:37 pm</p><hr />
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		<author><name><![CDATA[Waterclock]]></name></author>
		<updated>2012-02-12T13:17:48+00:00</updated>

		<published>2012-02-12T13:17:48+00:00</published>
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Hmm...That's interesting, because most Teochiu people I know don't listen to Hokkien songs. (I think the languages are different enough that it's hard to understand without subtitles.)<br><br>But then I'm not PRC Chinese. My Teochiu circle in China is limited, and there aren't a lot of new Teochiu songs (although you can find a lot of old ones on Youtube).<br><br>Are you sure those are Hoklo songs, and that the people playing them are Teochiu?<br><br>(If so, then that's great. I'm totally in favour of pan-Minnanism.)<p>Statistics: Posted by <a href="http://chineselanguage.org/forums/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=14436">Waterclock</a> — Sun Feb 12, 2012 1:17 pm</p><hr />
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		<author><name><![CDATA[amhoanna]]></name></author>
		<updated>2012-02-11T14:42:28+00:00</updated>

		<published>2012-02-11T14:42:28+00:00</published>
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Right, and Samcan / Chimcun (深圳) even more. U hear Hoklo tunes in public all the time. I think most of the time it's Teochews and Haklaus (from around Soàⁿboé) playing them.<p>Statistics: Posted by <a href="http://chineselanguage.org/forums/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=7909">amhoanna</a> — Sat Feb 11, 2012 2:42 pm</p><hr />
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		<author><name><![CDATA[Waterclock]]></name></author>
		<updated>2012-02-08T04:51:54+00:00</updated>

		<published>2012-02-08T04:51:54+00:00</published>
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The other thing to add is that Teochiu people have a reputation for being more rough and ready. This is our reputation, I gathered, throughout Guangdong. But we're totally dominating Guangzhou right now, haha.<p>Statistics: Posted by <a href="http://chineselanguage.org/forums/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=14436">Waterclock</a> — Wed Feb 08, 2012 4:51 am</p><hr />
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		<author><name><![CDATA[Waterclock]]></name></author>
		<updated>2012-02-08T04:43:21+00:00</updated>

		<published>2012-02-08T04:43:21+00:00</published>
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It's not as developed as one might expect it to be - e.g. being a coastal city.<br><br>The Chaoshan cultural region is considered one of the most culturally conservative regions in China. As they say, "Marry a Chaoshan woman if you can, but never a Chaoshan man." This is because Chaoshan culture has a strong component of machismo and male chauvinism. (So if you marry a Chaoshan girl, then she will be family-oriented. If you marry a Chaoshan guy, then he will expect to be the head of the household.) Some liberals from outside might not like it, but I identify with cultural conservatism anyway. I love it there.<p>Statistics: Posted by <a href="http://chineselanguage.org/forums/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=14436">Waterclock</a> — Wed Feb 08, 2012 4:43 am</p><hr />
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		<author><name><![CDATA[Ainegolf]]></name></author>
		<updated>2011-08-16T14:09:36+00:00</updated>

		<published>2011-08-16T14:09:36+00:00</published>
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I had intended to go, but it has been too busy and no time, there fun? Can share? Thank you and good luck!<p>Statistics: Posted by <a href="http://chineselanguage.org/forums/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=10133">Ainegolf</a> — Tue Aug 16, 2011 2:09 pm</p><hr />
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		<author><name><![CDATA[Anonymous]]></name></author>
		<updated>2003-01-24T22:52:30+00:00</updated>

		<published>2003-01-24T22:52:30+00:00</published>
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LED, it doesn't matter where you go probably, as long as you like it, again, in metropolitan, corrupt, fast-paced, shabbily built, blade runner like,  dynamic Taipei, I found other worlds of people,prostitutes, the wealthy, spirit mediums, artists, the poor, stars, the marginalized, the world is yours-kinda cliche but true<br>Later<p>Statistics: Posted by Guest — Fri Jan 24, 2003 10:52 pm</p><hr />
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		<author><name><![CDATA[Anonymous]]></name></author>
		<updated>2003-01-23T04:48:27+00:00</updated>

		<published>2003-01-23T04:48:27+00:00</published>
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Really, backward?  Hmmm.  Perhaps that means its relatively non-metropolitanized.  That may mean there are more charming and cultured aspects left. =) Cross-fingers.  <br><br>Too bad about the female youngsters.  Why them and not the male ones?<br><br>When I visited it seemed very hot and almost nasty.  It was like Southeast Asia.  In a romanticized and after-the-fact kind of way, I liked it.  I think I could learn to like it however.<p>Statistics: Posted by Guest — Thu Jan 23, 2003 4:48 am</p><hr />
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		<updated>2003-01-23T04:22:06+00:00</updated>

		<published>2003-01-23T04:22:06+00:00</published>
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city wise is a little backward. imo teochew and suahtau now dont enjoy good reputation in china cos earlier on there's been a number of frauds and cheating cases plus huge quantities of fake/counterfeit products uncovered recently. <br><br>food is pretty nice, not so expensive in day to day life, female youngsters are still quite discriminated and they dun get a chance to study or do anything very much.<p>Statistics: Posted by Guest — Thu Jan 23, 2003 4:22 am</p><hr />
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		<updated>2003-01-18T20:11:58+00:00</updated>

		<published>2003-01-18T20:11:58+00:00</published>
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What did you think of the city?  How long did you stay?  What did you do?  I've also been there, but for only a three short day stay.  I'm thinking about going there again to teach english.  Have any tips/leads?<br><br>感謝<p>Statistics: Posted by Guest — Sat Jan 18, 2003 8:11 pm</p><hr />
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		<updated>2003-01-18T10:18:42+00:00</updated>

		<published>2003-01-18T10:18:42+00:00</published>
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我&amp;#20004;年前去&amp;#36807;了。<p>Statistics: Posted by Guest — Sat Jan 18, 2003 10:18 am</p><hr />
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